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like never before but if you think they're ready to come clean about everything they're up to that think again right now that organization is hard at work trying to make sure that you are kept in the dark about their newest plans to gut the middle class more those plans in just a moment also wall street banks have a pretty high opinion of themselves in fact sixty percent of bank executives think their job isn't ethical what are they why are just completely nuts to talk about that and more in tonight's lone liberal rumble and the motor city is running on empty the media likes to talk about greedy unions and expensive pensions but what's the real reason for the decline of what once was and still is a great american city. i'll tell you in tonight's dealy take. you need to know this the american legislative exchange council or alec is back and

with a vengeance this week the right wing lobbying group is meeting in washington d.c. our nation's capital for its annual states. nation policy summit over the next three days alex a billionaire donors and hired politicians will lay out their twenty fourteen strategy for god in the middle class most of the planning will go on behind closed doors secrecy you see is alex top priority right now because over the past year they've been placed in the public eye like never before in the nonstop coverage of the george zimmerman trial shed light on alex key role in getting the stand your ground shoot first laws passed by state legislatures across the country on behalf of their member of the national rifle association and as a result many about the usual donors are staying away they're worried about how their relationship with that organization is going to affect the appearance of their business but alec is far from defeated earlier today i sat down with his

constant congressman mark polk and to talk about alex plan for the coming year and what they're doing to keep their plan secret in the face of unprecedented scrutiny started out by talking about whether or not alec actually qualifies for their current nonprofit status. there in d.c. this week with a bunch of conservative legislators doing what they do best which is matching up conservative legislators and special interest corporations having the corporations write legislation for them to introduce in the states approving that legislation is an organization helping them pass that legislation in the states and the bottom line is it's much like a corporate dating service you know doing this matching in the end they're the biggest lobbying firm really in the country yet there are still a five a one c three nonprofit not really complying with the regulations that they should as a lobbying entity which is what they are yeah back in seventy eight my wife and i started

a community for abused kids up in new hampshire it's still there and still running and it's a five one c three and i always thought it was illegal for us to do any. of these. twenty percent want to push and when you look at what alec it is that's all they're set up to be as a legislator when i joined and went to their conferences and i saw it firsthand you know the corporations literally write the legislation for you to introduce in your states as a state legislator they tell you how to get it passed they promote it everything they do is exactly what a lobbying firm does when they deal with you whether it's in the legislature of congress and yet they're somehow instead a nonprofit in really skirting the law as you asked them to explain to you how is that they're legitimately doing what they're doing what was the response similar to a cricket sound like in a field i saw there was no respond ok and i know that common cause it also has filed a complaint with us and from some of the documents that were leaked to this just this week in a guardian article that came out the lawyer for alec even admitted that i.r.s.

might very likely look at them as a lobbying organization so now they're creating a new five a one c four and it's entity to try to get around the laws so they basically admitting that what they've been doing all along has been lobbying and now they're trying to get compliant all of the sudden so they're admitting essentially by their actions that what they've been doing was illegal actually or at least a violation of tax law and as a five a one c four this is called the jefferson project i have this right the average others already and project are going to rebranded them selves as well all of those well at least the separate entity but you know again what they've been doing all along is what now they're going to try to do at least maybe legally for a change is the lobby on behalf of special interest legislation for corporations and have it introduced in state legislatures and sometimes even having tried to have an impact in congress and again all this legislation is on behalf of special interests not the public good and the fact that at their annual conference thousands of people show up legislators from across the country and introduce these state by state by state it's a very unfortunately

a very effective organization in getting their agenda done and there's no progressive left wing even big democratic equivalent oh no you know one time there's. the group for policy alternatives is a group of oppressive states network that does some of it but nothing is like alec alec is the eight hundred pound gorilla really they're probably a twelve hundred pound gorilla by what they get done and the counterbalance really should be that you know they're registered as a for profit entity because that's what they're doing is lobbying and to take that under a five a one c three status and you know past stand your ground laws into a consumer law into a worker laws all the sort of things they do it's pretty insidious as an organization well it's pretty bizarre too because if i want to see three or in a five one c four we're supporting them with our tax dollars exactly exactly you were supporting them to give us bad legislation that takes money out of the public coffers and release the liver's it to special interests not in the public good so let's talk about what their agenda is for next year they it has been leaked and by

the guardian and i guess a few other sources what they're up to like to just go through a couple of things you know number one there's been a number of attempts around the country to label g.m.o. as alec wants to go even beyond that and say basically you have no right to know what's in your food and in my is that an exaggeration no that's essential what they're trying to do and you know some people like al franken and myself are actually working on a bill right now to try to deal specifically labeling of dairy which is really important in the upper midwest so you know the country of origin they want to go just the opposite direction that many of us are trying to do so that people know they have food safety and security incredible and i saw an article that goes over a economy in crisis or less than one percent of imported fish is actually inspected i mean we just don't have the resources and yet something like sixty percent of the fish now serve in the u.s. i mean an enormous amounts of food are coming to this country and alec is saying no you don't even have the right to know what country it came from if you want some of it if you've heard some of the stories about how it's treated in these countries

before it comes here you'd probably never eat that product again it's literally that bad some of that's where alec is working ok so that number one number two undermining worker. rights they want to they want to take right to work for us as it's been applied in the private business arena and put it on steroids in the government arena i was right exactly we saw this firsthand in my home state of wisconsin where they had the collective bargaining changes all of those sort of laws came through alec through states like wisconsin in michigan in other places so this is the same sort of agenda that we've seen in the past but now they're getting more and more specific in how they do that and it's all in a worker into a consumer sort of was just like you described they want to it seems take us back to the era before ralph nader nader's one hundred sixty five unsafe at any speed the movements that came out of that were consumers actually started suing corporations for making decisions that led to the death of individuals make it much

much harder for individuals to hold corporations accountable in my last session in the legislature before as elected to congress we saw a number of these when the republicans took over the legislature all sorts of things that rolled back consumer protections that allowed for taking away your bill your legal rights when you've been harmed by a product or good or a service and this is part of the agenda state by state extraordinary undermining public education and go and promoting more of these for profit schools school choice they call it really it's taxpayer funded vouchers your tax dollars leaving the public system going to private schools with sometimes very little or minimal standards and very little on outcomes so really taking away from public education and putting into private entities another piece of alex upcoming years agenda seems to be stripping environmental regulations you know our protections from polluters yeah you know when i went i'll never forget they had a book they gave us fifty reasons why increased levels of c o two are good for you

they gave us a very good seriously seriously by a scientist and this is just a given part of the agenda it's taking away regulation that protect the public. metal standards and continues to make it easier to pollute and harder to have consumer protections for people especially who've been harmed by environmental problems it's extraordinarily they want to reduce patient rights and patient protections how to do this again it goes back to more anti-consumer provisions where you're losing your ability to have protections when you go in in the marketplace. it's all very much a free market kind of a free market at steroids sort of agenda that you know but the buyer beware just kind of go in and let the profits are going to dictate decisions not the public good where government's always been kind of that arbitrator making sure that the public is is protected at the same time that the free market can make money instead they just want to have the free market kind of controlling their operation which as you and i know doesn't necessarily provide protections for the public you know and

historically has been the reason why we got where we are and undermining the social safety net legislation. they've fought many of the efforts of things that we've had in place for many years you know in congress right now i'm seeing this kind of fight on food stamps but we see similar fights on medicaid and other provisions in the states where again they're trying to stop programs that have really been in the public interest and often been there for a long time and reverse that so you can put money back into corporate profits and lower taxes for the wealthiest rather than providing protections for the people who are the neediest in our communities when we first started this conversation you referred to the folks who show up at these elif meetings the legislators state legislators as conservative republicans my dad was a conservative republican he's not around any longer but he would be horrified by this i think barry goldwater would be horrified by this this is a corporatist agenda and not a conservative this doesn't comport with russell kirk or even you know cirebon

burke i mean it is now time for us to change our language and start calling this what it is it your i mean it's i always say it's corporate special interests that dominate this organization. they write the legislation but you're right it's that made dating service between those corporate special interests and these generally conservative legislators although not under the definition that we've always known a conservative to mean but that seems to be were they able to marry them and then have them introduce this legislation often not again at their constituents best interest but just for these special interest best interests then we probably should have a different dialogue about how we talk about congress mark ok thanks so much for being absolutely think you to appreciate it it's always a pleasure. to meet up health care dodd gob is finally working like it's supposed to so why doesn't anybody talking about the real reason the website was so good that and more and it's alone liberal rommel right after the break.

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well there you are ready to rumble joining me for tonight's low rumble are chris allman conservative commentator and activist and horoscope or conservative commentator and senior fellow with the national center for public policy research and thank you both for joining me great to be here it's great to have you with us the obamacare website is up and finally running well thank consumer reports actually rated them well today after nearly a month of fixes and updates the website relaunched over the weekend monday nearly three quarters of a million people seven hundred fifty thousand people visited the site double the traffic for a monday since the website was first rolled out of course the media's all over the relaunch but what they're not covering is why the web site had so many issues in the first place thirty six states led by republicans opposed to obamacare chose not

to create their own exchanges the bus throwing the workload to the federal government and the federal obamacare website which originally was supposed to just be a portal states they didn't create their own exchanges had very few problems with their sign up websites including very republican kentucky so the web site debacle was thanks to republicans trying to sabotage obamacare and the obama administration so why isn't the pres and fred better why isn't the democratic party why isn't the president holding the republicans accountable for their sabotage i am i'm a little shocked here tom big. as this is not a news flash we have known for i don't know how long ago was it that the secretary of h.h.s. said states i have to know if you're going to be in or not and all the states today there is a trigger day and all they say they said no we're not going in so they knew well in advance that the that they were going to be responsible that was what was in the law that obama and his friends wrote and they passed they knew that and now suddenly a month and a half later you're blaming republicans we told you guys

a long time ago whatever this was also you had we don't want to get it we don't have any money and in fact this really is or anything else no we're not going to do that i get in you get better i mean all that fine your mysie it you're missing the medal point you're going to the micro point you're missing the middle point the night that obama was inaugurated you had republicans sitting in the caucus room restaurant conspiring about how to destroy the presidency jim de mint who was in that meeting later said they were going to break him you had you had we have had consisted you know mitch mcconnell said that his number one job was to make sure that this that the president would fail two days after that meeting in the caucus room restaurant rush rush limbaugh went on the radio and said i want to make him a failed president i want to make policies his policy we were talking about is a policy i agreed with yet i defy you first of all blackstone's law dictionary and well you're a lawyer and ok you know blacks oswald if you there's a group of us here tonight actually you're a letter to chris i realize that. ok and define sedition as an insurrection or

a movement tending toward treason but lacking an overt act attempts made by meetings or speeches or by publications to disturb the train will be of the state congratulations mr obama's chief coroner in march and that is that you are an easy m.p. publicans committee should know it isn't there i mean as a democratic analog can you identify for me any time in our lifetimes and between the three of us it spans a distance any time when democrats have set out to destroy the presidency. a republican i know democrats who do but i just read with them what did they do to destroy his presidency ok first of all let's talk about the first president bush the senate majority leader a democrat from new england made it his personal career effort to see to it that mr bush would not be reelected stymieing him at every turn reversing course on tax policy and trade policy labor policy soley to make him wounded heading into the

upcoming election and he was quite successful gorge for walker bush lost the election because he was up against bill clinton probably it wasn't really a long letter election it was that someone decided. to up when our entire perry what an amazing liar to destroy him were as a baby it is they use the power of the senate to be able to manipulate we didn't have a mess in b.c. at the time had we had it they would have used it we didn't have all of the other liberal liberal organs that we had them but they used them but then when president bush the second came into office we saw this and it was way more venomous then i don't. know it's an. absolute want to see exact opposite the democrats were opposed to medicare. and absolute hell and. that was not solace see that was true i would be alive

a lot i don't know about bush lied about whether there were weapons of mass grave that's bush that was the secretary of state only other it was actually mr obama lou said if you like your policy you can keep it but it's mr obama going back to your empty mission and then what is there who promised to transfer form this nation and he has done some of the most destructive things to this country imaginable but the debt situation or him are international really dense is a way to enter and is the result of two bush wars that were not on the books that won the one on the books when obama became. president said ok we'll put them on the books that the result of a recession was a lot about twenty years of reaganomics deafened though the result of the deficit numbers quadrupled under mr old deficit has dropped by a third is that everyone knows where is george was one who pulled it was two hundred deficit will for what it was when bush razi zero it went from zero zero under all the way up to one hundred zero under bill clinton yes and during that

went from zero flowed way up to four hundred what did he go to under the bush on the obama administration all the way to one point three trillion and by year's sitting in a row that was that was there a limit on what is the hill your number five is going to be you still haven't addressed my bill williams. the republicans not only are doing it but bragging about doing it that they are trying to destroy this president so i don't recall democrats and probably way that's because you have selective memory is like you know what i haven't heard from chris yet so you know what that. i don't know how often your viewers or you actually listen to conservative talk radio or conservative t.v. but we have been very clear that we are opposed to his ideas and not him as an individual but that we oppose things like government takeover of one sixth of our economy we are opposed to a president you know saying i can't get immigration. i can't you know there's going to their stock is going to you know i can't get the immigration reform that i

wanted and i didn't try to do it when i had both houses of congress work and so now i am going to unilaterally say i don't tell my executive branch not to enforce the laws on the books that is the last and there are no i think there are a lot of your laundry list hollywood things that a president is doing that we don't like that is nothing about him as a person and you know what if he did it bill clinton came to the center and said hey let's compromise things would be different but he has no intention of doing that and that is where you know what's amazing to hear what's amazing to me here whether guys can be it whether we get whether you guys are right or wrong and whether i'm right or wrong thing that's amazing to me is how differently we're viewing it's just you know i just and let's move on pope francis' tea party activist jonathan mosley i had him on my radio show today very interesting conversation he published a column the world net daily sunday arguing that jesus christ is weeping in heaven because of pope francis is views and critiques and capitalism and because pope

francis dared to call out trickle down economics of reagan's invention the pope has repeatedly spoken out against the greed and tyranny of capitalism and urged his followers to care more for the most vulnerable of human beings and to work for a more equal and just society policies was always pray for preach you know love your neighbor help those who are less fortunate but france is just following this tradition. based on the teachings of catholicism how can someone be a catholic and a republican for a million reasons. athlete yes. i am and i and i'll tell you i have not read what the pope wrote. but i hope to but really what the pope was saying is that if we conservatives or anyone view the free market as a religion the way that the left views government policy as able to create nirvana or heaven on earth or perfect this life on earth that's wrong you're making then

you're making the free market here which certs. that the the people who are promoting trickle down have made it a religion and that is wrong and i agree that it's totally wrong because as a christian i don't think that perfection is attainable on earth i think that like winston churchill said about government saying you know look the free market is not perfect but it's the best system we have out of a lot of really crappy systems so you know what i you know i just think that the pope was saying that it's not a panacea and it's not but what one thing that christ and i think that the tourch says it's individuals responsibility to help their neighbor but to have the government say you know what tom i have to take yours and i say that and give it to somebody else you will recall the young man and i think it was you know it wasn't the censure and it was just an individual came to jesus with a with a coin and i said should i pay my taxes so that and jesus said yes he said whose

pictures on a caesar page is your letters with the right caesars that those had the roman empire at that time actually had welfare programs so yeah this was i say no no no taxes for the weather to be able to live it well for programs that is mount true but you know that was not the nancy christ said what he said was the question was presented to him as a tool to get the roman government to arrest him all right spot for him if he had said anything of them rinder interesting as are the things that are caesar's here and i would. god what is good and what is god his most important message was remember though render under god now now his most important message was it's going to be easier for him to get through the eye of needle and now read everything about heaven is love look at how many people came to him and said what do i do and he said give everything away to the poor. the lord your god with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself now it's the first commit but if you

let your government love your neighbor instead of you then then that isn't good either that's correct and that is less of a role sort of a man or as we have we will watch responsibility less so you're not just you know sir he and i met as jesus to say you want the government to take over this religious function gene this was talking to you and there's a huge hostility of doing what jesus said there are going to launch hostility that progressives have with the idea that we as individuals have responsibilities to our neighbors. because the government and we've had this conversation a number of times all government with problems out charity government problems of ours but let's morris about the pace at all there's no phrase where the government isn't big enough to crowd out it's not crowding it out go to south sudan i've been there go to go to kenya go to argentina go to it goes away sort of going on the ocean listening range then yes you know it's a good speech many of these made me one capitalist haven where you're talking about

the poverty that you see in these places where government is most about but you know what i buy when i go to europe norway denmark sweden finland germany play all have a war lagarde levels than we but they are not places where capitalism re they are doing our due diligence going here is a name that's my point man. made me a place where capitalism reigns where you have this kind of abject poverty like you see somalia so some of it is so obvious below free marshall estate sometimes we might. clear family it's a total free market the government provides a military that's it is totally libertarian ok it's not the net net it is you know i asked i asked the you know are you still beating your question wife you know as a possible be a christian and dinner and a republican which is kind of a tough question is it possible do you think for it to be a christian or a catholic and a democrat of course you know ok i mean it was always a let's have a let's have a number so there is on this real quick really quick michael knows i have you know

really great book the. the democratic socialist democratic i'll walk because i was there in the background or of tonight's along that is the spirit of democratic and. i would rather as questions to keep building positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for. you see. i have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to

cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's closer to the truth and might think. it's because once call attention in the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on here. that. i don't are teenagers we have a different approach. because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not how. you guys talk to the jokes well handled it makes sense that i've got.

on the mat. with their press on and horace cooper let's get back to it first of all horace you wanted to give me the title of a book yes it's the spirit of democratic capitalism by michael novak a great book about a kid from the catholics perspective about how capitalism want to work check it out thank you ok earlier today president obama gave a speech right here in washington d.c. at center for american progress talking about income inequality and economic conditions here's a quote. so the basic bargain at the heart of our economy as freight in fact this trend towards growing inequality.